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From ANON - Vonda on April 12, 2005
Let's see someone commented on the fact that happy smut is fine when HG is this age, and this dark tale is not. First off, in this story we have a 16 year old HG. If you'll look most authors are careful to at least make her 18 (she may be 17 but it's brought to 18 through the time-turner). And the fact is that in the "happy smut", SS is usually not an insane bastard who'll probably end up killing her. Yes, that's a huge difference.

As for someone that said "volunteer" or do something other than read and comment on fanfiction-young lass get into the real adult world. You're probably busy with studies or whatever and you see reviews and actually believe that everyone is sitting there worried about fanfic. LOL If you only knew.

Most of us working women. mothers etc. are very busy dealing with real life issues whether it be the next promotion at work, what our kids are doing, and yes some of us volunteer our time. Our real lives are usually filled with stress, men, bills etc. Those of us that are reading fanfiction usually do it for fun, relaxtion. And sure some stories we don't like (I don't this one and will not bother to say why), and some we love. And we comment on the stories. It's fun and it means nothing. When we leave the story or computer fanfic is the furthest thing from our mind.

Anyone that doesn't understand that reviews good or bad, written by grown-ups are not something we take seriously although, it may not seem like that based on the reviews.

It seems that the people cursing "bitches?" and taking this so seriously (not hiding Jews in the basement?") either have some mental issues, or are just too young to understand that women are not taking this seriously. By the way, after reading the author's rebuttals, I realized she was young. It's taken too much to heart. And I do feel bad for that.Tigerlily, I think that if most of us had known for sure that you were really that young, the reviews would have been less harsh. Young women do see things in a different light and that's quite alright.
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From ANON - Tygerlily on April 12, 2005
Tess... you also didn't leave an email, and just like with Donna I have something to say in response but I'd rather not do it in a public forum. Again I understand if you don't want to send it to me. But you did review and I figured since I did have something to say in response I'd ask for it.
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From ANON - Tygerlily on April 12, 2005
Donna I was very interested in your review but you didn't leave an email, I'd like to respond to you but not in a public forum. [not to harrass you in anyway, I just have something to say and I don't think here is the proper place for it, however I understand if you don't want to send it to me.] I just figured I'd respond since I did have something constructive to say in response.
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From ANON - Tess on April 12, 2005
I am getting a huge kick out of the last few supporters. But I feel like an old lady. My daughter, who's 18, just used the term "the masses are asses". And now I see it here. I am so out of touch with the new phrases of today so thanks girls.

As for the story-the reviewer Pearle hit it on the nail the best. There are certain patterns to co-dependent or abusive relationships. Yes they do exist and I realize you were attempting to show that, however the structure, thoughts, everything is off. You probably feel this is a realistic view and at your age, maybe this is the way you see such relationships. However, it is completely off-key. That's what older ladies are picking up on. It's not that horrible things like this don't happen, it's the way they happen and this is a young woman's fantasy of such a relationship.

I do commend you for giving this type of thing a shot, however please wait a bit before delving into stories like this again. You're all of 17, 18 or 19- way too young to understand things like this. And before you get angry-it's true. I look at the world now and than think of how I thought things were at 18, and wow it's a difference.

I do wish you lucj in your writing and give yourself a break-write something light and lo-key.
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From ANON - Candice on April 12, 2005
Natural white ass?? LOL Where the hell do you teens get this stuff. And Spoiled whatever we damned sure know you're a teen. No grown woman would ever use that term. LOL

I have to ditto the previous reviewer. The young teens and young women like this and mature women don't. And yup, totally unrealistic. All of you will see why in a few years.
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From ANON - Donna on April 12, 2005
Torey, dear. If you'll look, you'll see that even if people didn't like the story, no mature woman would call other women "bitches". If you want to hang out with the big girls, don't sound like the teenager you are by using words like that. I'm going to tell your Mommy!
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From ANON - Donna on April 12, 2005
You know I did read this story, think the grammer is great but-sorry it had a very immature viewpoint. I did think it was written by a teenager or young woman. And guess what I checked the author on the LJ and she graduated last year. I knew it. And some of the supporters I checked-all very young women. And if a lot of reviewers are immediately saying the writer is young, obvioulsy there is something in the story that makes everyone think that.

Girls, don't get upset because grown women don't have your point of view. Take it from an older broad-this story is totally unrealistic. And you want to why? Not because they're both nuts. Not because HG is pathetic and Severus is a bastard. Not even the ridiculous thought of a Prof. giving permission to live with a 16 year old. That's nuts but, OK.

It was the White Roses. The whole idea of it. Only a very young women would write a story where the guy treats her like shit, screws women in her bed-but, than stays because she knows he loves her because he gives her roses. That's the most immature storyline I've ever come across. She'll stop loving him when he gives others roses. Yeah right. You see a mature women would understand that if a guy is nasty enough to screw people where you sleep, he's damned sure giving other women roses if it will let them get into the sack with them. For whatever reason that rose thing seems to appeal to the romance in young women.

And Severus doesn't love Hermione in this. He's just a sick manipulitive fuck who feels he owns Hermione. There's no evidence of him loving her in this story. None.

Something you young ladies should think about and just out of curiousity I checked a small sample. The women that didn't like this story are mostly over 28. The girls that rush to defend are under 21. Oh they may claim to be older but, check and see. Only a very young women who's still idealistic would like this story.

You see, older women know about real life. And a lot of us have been in horrible situations. That's why we read fanfic-to relax and enjoy. We live real life, we don't feel like reading a story where a youbg woman attempts to write what she feels is real life. I'm not talking about the story per se, but everything in it that the author feels is realistic is just completely off-key.

Oh-by the way another way most people realize the author is young-too many defenses and too much "I'll show you-I'm keeping my story up. I'm not changing yadda yadda yadda. Mature women don't defend their stories in that way, and don't make what amounts to threats "not to post anymore-I'll show you".

Well since the author is young , I will say I think it's cute her young friends are supporting her. That's sweet.

And I'l tell you something else-I would like to read the author's stories when she matures. She has the makings of a good author.

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From ANON - Independently Healthy on April 12, 2005
A Reviewer Wrote:
"2) Albus is a total jackass. One of his lead people is bringing whores right into tthe school. Can anyone say "You'd be Fired" A personal life is one thing-but I would hope that as in the real world, this would be serious charges."

Um, one of his professors at Hogwarts had a freakin' Dark Lord under his turban for years... doesn't surprise me that a few sluts fly under the radar.

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From ANON - Harriett Silkie on April 12, 2005
What I don't get is all the reviewers who are saying that "ooooh now we shall be lambasted once again for loving HG/SS." Aren't you people being just a tad melodramatic? In your world, do you actually get a backlash from this, and you care? I mean people come on, you aren't hiding Jews in an attic or working on a cure for cancer. It's fan fiction, and supposed to be up to the author's whim. So whatever she writes is just as valid as anything else on here. And the Group of 200 Who Hands Down Hates This Story With Apparently All Their Heart and Soul... ladies go out and do some volunteer work, join Big Brother/Big Sister, get outside and into the sunshine, all this time in front of the monitor has fried your forebrain and left you with a pasty complexion.

If she wants Severus to have a dramatic love affair with Buckbeak... guess what- it's FAN FICTION. She is perfectly within her rights to do so. And while of course it's perfectly within your rights to review... do the right thing people. Don't jump on the hater bandwagon because you think it's cool. It's not.

And last, to the author: The masses are asses. They prove it every time.
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From spoiledsquish on April 12, 2005
I have no idea how people can just sit there and openly bash both you and this godsend of a fic, Tyger. Why is it that you are getting flamed for writing such a beautiful tale?

I love this fic because you actually show the everyday madness of the real world. You don't sugarcoat things just for other's benefit. This story is pure proof of what an abusive relationship is like and I applaud you for writing it so true to form.

All these HG/SS fans can just kiss my natural white ass because they obviously don't know true talent when they see it. I'll be the first in line when you write your book, while these loser assholes will just be at home, getting wasted.

I think you should write more fics like this, because a true artist can take a purely unlovable subject and turn it into something magnificent, which is just what you've done!
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From ANON - Pearle on April 12, 2005
While your writing and style are good, the actual reality of the story is not sound. You claim this is "just too much reality for in a fantasy world...Its good and its truthful..." Actually, it's not. Severus is not constant. His internal dialogue is not constant. He actually comes across as a paranoid, manic depressive.
Abuse occurs. It's very real. But the flow of action here is not logical. It does not follow the typical actions of abusive relationships (yes, they have common patterns and reactions). As do co-dependent relationships.
As a side note, if you don't want anyone to comment on your age, don't list your live journal, or remove the posting mentioning you graduated from high school last year.
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From ANON - Sabrina on April 12, 2005
This fic is so disturbingly beautiful. I like that you aren't afraid to be real and don't care what people think.

Now as for the people...it's clear that the majority of them actually *are* in high school. Because no real adult would get so worked up over a work of fiction based on a children's book.

They just don't like reality. Which is fine for them, but personally I enjoy when people actually think the characters through.

I would, however, like to ask them why the age range is wrong in this fic, but not in the ones that involve nothing but smut when the characters are in the same circumstances? Why can't there be a dark fic like this yet it's perfectly logical for a professor/middle-aged man to be involved with a minor student (though in the UK, she'd be legal) when it's a happy fic?
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From ANON - Torey on April 12, 2005
If you don't like the story, bitches, stop fucking reading it! It's not that hard, all you have to do is hit the nice little button called 'back' on your web tool bar. You call the author very 'high school' because she wrote this fic? Actually, I think you're high school for flaming her for writing it. You could have just said, "Look, I don't like this because I'm too fucking weak in the head and so fucking young that I can't understand that people cheat on each other all the time and I live on Cloud Nine so, la la la, you can't make me realize there's a real world out there! Na nah na nah na!" Because that's what you children *all* sound like. Just because a story contains real life angst doesn't mean it's OOC, grow the fuck up. I can hardly take any of the negative reviewers seriously because they have nothing better to do than read fiction all day.

The story was a beautiful setting of angst. The world is not made up of fluffy clouds where seventeen year old girls have perfect relationships with their professors. Thank you for being brave enough to write this since there are so many negative little girls in this fandom and taking their naive bullshit in stride.
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From ANON - Tygerlily on April 11, 2005
As many of you can come on here and review this story and say that the characters are OOC and that a group of 200 some odd HG/SS supporters don't like this story. [And I know this wasn't directly asked [by most] but its what's implied with all the negative reviews]. I won't be taking this story down. I won't be changing it. It'll stay as is.

I will say that I had originally planned a companion piece/sequel [It said it in the first version of the author notes and those notes still exsist at Fanfiction.net] But everyone was so quick to jump down my throat about this fiction and not acknowledge that lil bit of information. All I got was variations of "This is terrible", "They're beyond out of character" and people begging me to change it or write a companion piece/sequel where she turns it around on Severus.

Of course now in all honesty I'm tempted to leave the half finished fiction [the companion piece] just that... unfinished. I honestly haven't decided yet and if I do finish it, its doubtful I share it. Also blaming me for the possiblity of having to deal with more HG/SS haters, thats ridiculous. This story wasn't meant to encourage that and I'm sorry if it does. But that hate is always going to be there... don't try to lay the blame on me, even if it is in some sideways way.

A few of you asked how I can write such great BtVS/Ats fictions and yet you still ripped me up here, didn't give me the benefit of the doubt, didn't email me and ask me. You just felt becuase YOU disagreed so much with this particular piece that you had to come on here and rip me up and then act as if you were shocked at how I could do this since my other works are so different....

I make no apologies for this fiction, because "White Roses" wasn't suppose to be the end...
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From ANON - Lindy on April 11, 2005
personally thought the story was very well done. Now, before all of you other reviewers go off and say, "her opinion doesn't matter, she's probably just a high school girl," I'll more than confirm that you are very wrong. I assume that you all are high school age for assuming that everything in this world is happy go lucky and that lovers do not cheat on each other ever, especially without a reason. Well, guess what? They do. And a lot of the time? There's no explanation. And love? Sometimes it'll make someone stay with their significant other no matter what they do. 'Turning the blind eye' as they say. I think it's also wrong to call this story OOC because you do not know *everything* about the characters and you do not know *all* of what has happened to them and it is arrogant for you to make such proclamations.

Now, onto the story:

It tells of a woman of struggle. She's so heartbroken and yet she stays with him anyway. A story that happens all too often in this society. Severus is a man that, when hurt, will strike out at his love in the worst way possible: with another woman. I say that this story is very plausible in this world, very well-written. And darling, don't let these ill-experienced innocents drag down your confidence, they just weren't ready for the real life pain you were about to ditch out for them.

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